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New Law Aims to Curb Youth Smoking (Berkeley) $283 yearly license for stores to sell tobacco
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Posted on 11/21/2002 4:17:31 AM PST by chance33_98



New Law Aims to Curb Youth Smoking

By MIKE MEYERS Daily Cal Staff Writer Thursday, November 21, 2002

Selling cigarettes to children just got more difficult.

The Berkeley City Council read into law a new ordinance Tuesday night requiring stores that purvey tobacco products to purchase a yearly $283 license.

Merchants repeatedly caught selling cigarettes to minors could have their licenses suspended or revoked.

Drafters of the ordinance believe it will cut youth smoking.

"Every year a significant proportion of merchants end up selling to minors, and if they have a license and a fee they might think twice about it," said city Health Officer Poki Namkung.

Last summer, the Berkeley Police Department conducted a youth cigarette sting. Thirty-eight percent of the merchants targeted in the undercover operation sold tobacco to minors.

Part of the proceeds the city will accrue from the sale of tobacco licenses will go toward enforcing tobacco laws.

"Two hundred eighty-three dollars—I don't think that's too much," said Councilmember Betty Olds. "They're selling poison, and we're paying for it."

The threat of losing their share of the lucrative tobacco trade will keep some retailers in line, Olds said. But she added the new law won't keep cigarettes completely out of children's hands.

"I don't think it's the owners," Olds said. "It's the young people they hire. They sell them to their friends."

The new license requirement is part of a citywide effort to cut tobacco use.

"There's a broad basis of support," Namkung said. "From the health end, the political end and the enforcement end."

Preventing a child from smoking reduces the chances he will become a lifelong smoker, Namkung said.

Approximately 160 merchants currently offer tobacco products in Berkeley.

There are no plans as of yet to use the licensing system to reduce that number, Olds said.

"I don't think we could go that far," she added.

Doubts about he plan were raised by three different merchants at the council meeting.

"What they should've done is that if they catch a youngster smoking a cigarette, if you could prove that he bought it from that store, they should cite that store," said Omar Ahmed, owner of Lee's Market.

Ahmed also called the council's unanimous passage of the ordinance "an aggression."


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: pufflist

1 posted on 11/21/2002 4:17:31 AM PST by chance33_98
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To: SheLion; Illbay; *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; ...
Ping!
2 posted on 11/21/2002 4:19:23 AM PST by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
"They're selling poison, and we're paying for it."

"We" are paying for gay men who acquire AIDS through poisonous behavior. Are these miscreants going to license homosexuals or drug dealers who reside in UC at Bezerkley dorms? Who cares if minors smoke? Certainly not me. I quit smoking cigarettes more than a decade ago having started at 14. It would have been ludicrous back then to even bring this subject up. The concept of free choice only applies to murdering unborn babies in Liberal World.

3 posted on 11/21/2002 4:26:51 AM PST by Movemout
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To: chance33_98
Just what the heck does a $283.00 TAX have to do with making it harder to sell butts to kids?????

Sounds like some more commies needed a reason for another tax and this was a feel-good reason that would demonize anyone opposed to it: "You WANT kids to have cigarettes???"

4 posted on 11/21/2002 4:43:20 AM PST by trebb
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To: chance33_98
The new license requirement is part of a citywide effort to cut tobacco use.

BS. It is a way that a cash-strapped city can increase revenue without raising the property tax. They are hiding behind the children to make their hefty license fee more palatable.
5 posted on 11/21/2002 5:14:35 AM PST by octobersky
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To: octobersky
I buy all of my smokes on the internet and besides that, I don't live in Kalifornia. I just wonder what it will take for the people who produce and pay those taxes and tollerate these silly laws to just pack up and leave. I wonder what would happen if the loony-liberals finally chased off all of the tax payers and were left with nothing but bottom-feeders of the welfare state?
6 posted on 11/21/2002 5:57:18 AM PST by Orangedog
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To: chance33_98
Selling cigarettes to children just got more difficult. The Berkeley City Council read into law a new ordinance Tuesday night requiring stores that purvey tobacco products to purchase a yearly $283 license

BS Just a way to bring in the $$$
7 posted on 11/21/2002 6:38:41 AM PST by uncbob
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To: Orangedog
I just wonder what it will take for the people who produce and pay those taxes and tollerate these silly laws to just pack up and leave.

Ain't just the left wing
Didn't 70% of the voters in Arizona ( I think ) vote to tax smokes. They weren't all liberals
8 posted on 11/21/2002 6:41:23 AM PST by uncbob
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Ever since I was a kid, it was illegal for anyone to sell cigarettes to someone under the age of 18!

And if cigarettes ARE sold to anyone under the legal age, then they are getting what they deserve. We have a bad enough name without having more dumped on us because some irresponsible clerk sells cigarettes to kids.


9 posted on 11/21/2002 7:09:41 AM PST by SheLion
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To: chance33_98
PS: I can't STAND Berkeley!!!!!
10 posted on 11/21/2002 7:10:58 AM PST by SheLion
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To: uncbob
Ain't just the left wing Didn't 70% of the voters in Arizona ( I think ) vote to tax smokes. They weren't all liberals

IMHO, RINO's who vote to tax someone else are part of the left wing. If it were not for these moronic soccer-moms, conservitives would have been able to take charge and start cleaning up the mess that x42 made a long time ago...or better yet, the mess wouldn't have been made in the first place.

11 posted on 11/21/2002 7:25:44 AM PST by Orangedog
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To: SheLion
If they really want to stop kids from smoking they need to do what Florida has done: PUNISH the KIDS.

Stores and clerks who sell to minors should be fined, but so should the kids who are smoking.

The way the law is written here is it only illegal to sell tobacco products to minors. It is not illegal for them to use or possess them - nor is it illegal for them to buy it.

Straight out of looney-tunes if you ask me!!!!!!!

12 posted on 11/21/2002 7:54:20 AM PST by Gabz
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To: chance33_98
Another government rip-off.
13 posted on 11/21/2002 7:46:35 PM PST by Great Dane
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To: Orangedog
Those same looney liberals would then move to the states to which the producers went, eventually to promulgate the same silly laws that caused the exodus in the first place.

Examples:

Original Looney State | New Looney State

California | Colorado and Washington

Massachussetts | Vermont and New Hampshire

Feel free to add on. Moral of the story: Dogs don't like to sleep in the mess they made.

14 posted on 11/21/2002 7:57:00 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Tench_Coxe
That can work to the advantage of the producers. On a smaller scale, lets take a look at the inner-cities. I live in Columbus, Ohio, so I'll use that as an example.

In the 70's, people here fled from downtown Columbus when they started forced bussing. Those that could afford to get out of Dodge did so. Result: The tax base was obliterated, the public schools, which were teetering at the time were flushed right down the toilet. Now fast forward 30 years. The remaining inner city people are begining to move out to some of the older suburbs, thanks mostly to older apartment complexes who have lost their shine to the hoard of new apartments being built. The management running those apartments chose to take section 8 rent vouchers, which also requires that none of the residents are allowed to make over a certain income level.

While this is happening, doctors, lawyers, accountants and other professionals are buying up the old houses surrounding downtown, rehabing them, and then either move in or rent them out to some of the other above mentioned professionals. A house that they bought 10 years ago for $40,000 and spent $25,000 for rehab are now worth $200,000 and up.

My point is that the producers of society will leave areas that breed poverty (usually caused by liberal good intentions) and crime.
15 posted on 11/22/2002 6:23:05 AM PST by Orangedog
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